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Dear i-Telexers, I am a beginner and am unclear about logging messages.

When my machine is powered off, which serial port will enable me to see messages I've missed?

I can connect successfully to both ports @ 9600, 8N1 etc. but I apologise I am unclear how to enable and view logging.

thank you in advance for any guidance!

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Re: Beginner question about logging

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Hi Andy,
you wrote about two serial ports. I assume one is that on the Ethernet card of i-telex and the other one is the serial port which is part of a combined TW39 - Serial card.
Logging for anything related to the connection via Internet is done on the first of those COM port. This depends on the logging level set in the webbased configuration menu. But this will not include the full messages text afaik.
Logging of events on any other port i.e. telex machines is defined with another entry in the configuration menu.

Details about the configuration and the logging levels are available from the related section of the i-Telex Wiki

You could setup the answering machine which is part of the serial port on the combined card so that any message arriving while the telex machine is unavailable will be stored there and can be retrieved later, either from a telex machine or via serial port.

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Hey thanks for writing! Yes I have two serials - one on my TW39 card and one on the iTelex (ethernet) card.

I've not made any configuration changes (logging levels etc) from the web-based setup. Presumably I can make changes there without creating too much damage ^^

Honestly right now I'm trying to resist the temptation to break anything :hehe: :lol:

Per your suggestion I will take a look at the wiki.

best wishes!
Andy
wyssby hat geschrieben: Mo 5. Sep 2022, 21:36 Hi Andy,
you wrote about two serial ports. I assume one is that on the Ethernet card of i-telex and the other one is the serial port which is part of a combined TW39 - Serial card.
Logging for anything related to the connection via Internet is done on the first of those COM port. This depends on the logging level set in the webbased configuration menu. But this will not include the full messages text afaik.
Logging of events on any other port i.e. telex machines is defined with another entry in the configuration menu.

Details about the configuration and the logging levels are available from the related section of the i-Telex Wiki

You could setup the answering machine which is part of the serial port on the combined card so that any message arriving while the telex machine is unavailable will be stored there and can be retrieved later, either from a telex machine or via serial port.

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Re: Beginner question about logging

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Hello Andy,
There is no function for "logging" is you might expect.
The serial port of the ethernet PCB provides only "logging" for debugging purposes. There is no "human readable" information in.
The serial port of the "combined" (TW39 and RS232) has a built-in "call recorder".
So any communication reaching this port (so it must be called) is output to the RS232-port AND simultaneously recorded in an EEPROM.
This recording can be replayed either by using the RS232 or by calling the interface by telex and following a special procedure.

To archive that incoming calls are redirected to the "serial port with logging" you have to do:
- enable the option "Forward calls to alternative teleprinter if called is busy:" to "also for direct calls".
- put the "regular" printer port to "busy" by either:
- pressing the button related to this port, that the blue LED goes on OR
- setting up a "block time" in the configuration of the TW39 port
it is not sufficient to just switch off the printer, as this is not recognized by the hardware.

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thanks Fred - appreciate the info and explanation!

best wishes
Andy
FredSonnenrein hat geschrieben: Di 6. Sep 2022, 07:51 Hello Andy,
There is no function for "logging" is you might expect.
The serial port of the ethernet PCB provides only "logging" for debugging purposes. There is no "human readable" information in.
The serial port of the "combined" (TW39 and RS232) has a built-in "call recorder".
So any communication reaching this port (so it must be called) is output to the RS232-port AND simultaneously recorded in an EEPROM.
This recording can be replayed either by using the RS232 or by calling the interface by telex and following a special procedure.

To archive that incoming calls are redirected to the "serial port with logging" you have to do:
- enable the option "Forward calls to alternative teleprinter if called is busy:" to "also for direct calls".
- put the "regular" printer port to "busy" by either:
- pressing the button related to this port, that the blue LED goes on OR
- setting up a "block time" in the configuration of the TW39 port
it is not sufficient to just switch off the printer, as this is not recognized by the hardware.

Best regards,

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Hey folks, one more quick question (apologies for my lack of understanding.)

In my TW39 serial session I get my messages recorded ... but seems to be only when my machine was offline.

Is there a simple way to get all my (text-based) telex sessions recorded in my serial terminal session?

thanks everyone and have a great weekend!

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Beitrag: # 33358Beitrag FredSonnenrein »

Hello Andy,

All your sessions with your teleprinter are recorded:


…on paper ;-)


Unfortunately there is no simple way to record all the communication.
I think about a possibility to use the serial port of the ethernet board to log all texting (instead of debugging log), but this would need an 7/24 running pc or similar to store the log.

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Re: Beginner question about logging

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FredSonnenrein hat geschrieben: Sa 10. Sep 2022, 11:39 Unfortunately there is no simple way to record all the communication.
I think about a possibility to use the serial port of the ethernet board to log all texting (instead of debugging log), but this would need an 7/24 running pc or similar to store the log.
Oder einen Raspberry Pi (wenn's mal wieder welche gibt) oder einen Arduino mit SD-Karte. ;)

Ich habe mal ein Tool (ItelexLogger) gebastelt, das die Debug-Ausgaben in lesbaren Text umwandeln. Ist daber natürlich wieder für Windows.
Und die Version auf github ist noch etwas buggy. Die muss ich dringend mal aktualisieren. :whistle:

Die jetzige Form der Debug-Ausgabe sollte aber erhalten bleiben, damit man wirklich nachvollziehen kann, was über die Leitung geht.
Das sollte dann umschaltbar sein.
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Hi Detlef - sounds like I'm in luck, I just happen to have a Windows machine that does 24x7 service that has some spare capacity to ingest a log!

Will check it out in Github... cheers ;)
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This ist the link to the binary files:
https://github.com/detlefgerhardt/Itele ... r/Binaries

Newest version is 1.0.5
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